Stephenie Meyer: Twilight & Other

[arrowsong]

Lol I cant be bothered reviewing the movie! I guess I kinda am in stages as the conversation shifts anyway... one post would be way overload lol.

I agree with the 'perfectly cast' people though, you're totally right. Although... Esme annoys me a touch... and I'd add Charlie to the list!! He was awesome lol!

Edward is... more like...



In colouring at least. I really like that image actually, I think it does them well =)

[bingo]

Hmmm ... i guess so, yeah. i honestly think of him as RP, so i can't say.

[arrowsong]

Dude, no wonder you're not all that into twilight!! =)

I imagine him... with hair like the manga pic... but his features less severe... tho still VERY intense... and with very piercing eyes, and sculpted lips, and cheekbones... And... more slender and wiry and graceful, almost sort of sleek, and always in, like, soft tawny colours...

RP is so blergh compared to Edward Cullen.

When Rocket discovers this conversation, she's going to blow something.

[bingo]

Yes, i think she will! ^^

And no wonder i prefer Jake, huh? Cause Jake was hardly in the posters at all ... i was all ''SQUEE'' when i read New Moon! (i've been *Squee*ing alot lately .. its addictive)

And wow. i like that description! (*stores away for future descriptions of Josh*)

[arrowsong]

HAHA

Here was me thinking it was turning out as an inadvertent description of Jace!!! From Mortal Instruments. I like him more than Edward these days. He's the same build, and h the same sleek, graceful, predatory air, and he's 'pretty' - but he's blonde, and wears black. And has the best sense of humor/most intriguing and dark and SQUEE deep-tormented-angst-ness/most PURE AWESOME FIGHTING SKILLS... And is like The Most Freaking Awesome Character I Have Ever Come Across. Honestly. He's like... badass defined.

Actually, everyone (who's read MI) thinks Alex Pettyfer is - not so much 'perfect for' Jace, rather, he IS Jace. It's SERIOUSLY creepy, but - when I picture Jace, I dont see him with AP's face or anything, but when I see a picture of AP, I actually SEE it AS Jace. Even if he and MI and all is nowhere near on my mind. It's unsettling!!

This picture, tho, just so sums up Jace in every way for me -

           

Okay, okay, I know there's now three (I meant the first one). But seriously... the attitude, the cross, the hair, the cheekbones... he is SO Jace!! (and YES, I'm trying to make everyone want to read Mortal Instruments with this!!!)

I'd add "Yeah yeah, I know, this should be on the MI thread" but NO ONE reads that... and it's part of this conversation! (...now! )

[hydramate]

This is incredibly old but as I don't actually visit this topic much, I'm going to reply now.

Just read this --> http://www.fictionpress.com/s/2664434/1/Twilight_My_Complete_Reasons

Absolutely brilliant! ^^

Seriously bingo, as someone who likes Twilight but sees it's flaws, that is an amazing find.
While coming across rather strongly at times, the author has thought about it quite a bit. I laughed at times as his arguments actually made sense.
It's refreshing to see a different view to the Twilight-worshiping view or the Never-read-Twilight-but-still-hate-it view.
For those of you who thought it was offensive, once you come out of the fan-phase, do read it again. I'm not bashing being fans, far from it. I certainly have my fan-girl times. But fan-girling does bias opinions, nobody can say otherwise.

[Rocket]

If I didn't heart Twilight so much, I would actually see what this guy is talking about

[bingo]

Yeah? ^^

He makes a good point, but he got one heck of an aggressive review ... by someone who hates Twilight TOO!!

i found it really interesting ... if i can find it i'll quote it here xD

[arrowsong]

That's interesting hydra because I think Im like you - was an obsessive fangirl, now thoroughly disillusioned. But I really do stand by what I said. That guy was horrible. And ridiculous.

The twilight obsession is just. getting. stupid. Really, really, really stupid. Some girls are just... scary. Like, it's like, 'what the hell?! what was your life like before this? do you even remember what was important to you and why? what happens when you get a real boyfriend?!?!?!?!? Or what IS happening with the one you've got?!?!?' It's a little unnerving.

But I also think for the most part it's very much... exaggerated. Like, online, it's so easy to gush and proclaim an overwhelming obsession with something, but... you still get up in the morning and go to school and remember your teacher's name and do your homework and that. It appears all-consuming, but Im not convinced it's as bad as you'd think from online stuff.

That said there are probably cases that are, and definitely some very scary girls out there. I think almost... this obsession with this book/the movie is really dragging out into the limelight all the thoroughly terrifying flaws and aspects of the media machine and modern psychology. I just hope people* take notice, and point at it and say to each other 'FREAKING HECK!! Im raising my kids on wooden blocks and Treasure Island. They can have 2 hours of TV a week and spend those watching a decent film, and won't be allowed internet access until they're 15 or so!!!' (yes, that is an intended hyperbole.... slightly..... But you see my point.)

(*when I say 'people', fyi, I kinda mean... girls in their late teens, who have like me and my friends seen this develop from an awesome book with a definition-of-SQUEE main character into some twisted culmination of all OTT fandom.)

But I think (back to that article) that guy is totally on the wrong track. His character psychoanalysis, well, sucks, not to put too fine a point on it. If you want to understand Edward, read Midnight Sun (what there is of it). He. Is. Not. Human. He doesnt think like a human. He... *gives up* I cant be screwed. This post is long enough, and M Sun - IS the explanation. Truly, I LOVED reading it. It was so freaking awesome. Because it's inside Edward's head... and he's not human.

And I just wish for ONCE people would give 'impressionable young girls' some freaking credit!!! Sure, they want a man like Edward. And impressionable young BOYS want to be James Bond. Does that make reading Alex Rider dangerous?!?!? I'd like to think these girls would understand that Edward is just as impossible a concept!!! Yeesh.

Which is about where the movie comes in, I guess, and R. Pattinson messes the whole thing up and gets life-threateningly-scary screaming teenage girls mobbing him.

[bingo]

Hmmm ... you make a good point Arrow, but at the same time i gotta disagree in some points What i dont like is that really young girls (some even younger than TEN!) are reading Twilight ... i mean, let's face it, Twilight shouldn't be read/wasnt MEANT to be read/ or even watched by anyone younger than thirteen or so.

(no offense guys, i know this is hypocritical, but just because it wasnt MEANT to be doesn't mean it wouldn't have been. What's bothering me is the mania, that EVERYONE's reading it and it's okay, because its Twilight, whereas Twilight has some scenes or ideas or whatever that really isnt for people at that age, and thats why they're so obsessed with it.)

Hang on - i read Midnight Sun. I found it interesting and somewhat confusing ... it didnt really make Edward seem so much like he wasnt human or anything, it was just - interesting. That was it. In fact, it made Bella seem really, really, REALLY annoying by comparison, too!

Twilight is a fun book to read once (by the second time you begin to notice how stupid it is xD), but i think it shouldn't be taken seriously, not by girls nor even critics like the Guy Who Hates Twilight.

[arrowsong]

Do. Not. Get. Me. Started. On young girls reading twilight. I... I... It makes me want to SCREAM. I think anyone younger than 15 is pushing it. Sorry, I know some people on here are younger than that... but being an advanced reader isnt enough here, here you need the emotional maturity. And that's what these girls don't have.

Anyone who would consider describing Edward as 'hot' is flashing a neon warning sign at me right there. That is soooo not the point...

I think it's sort of like, Twilight touched something - the idea of an amazing boy being only interested in the less-than-amazing, smarter-than-most-of-her-peers, uncoordinated, not-amazingly-pretty, feels-the-odd-one-out girl, combined with a vague essence of the old Mr Darcy, Prince Charming syndrome - that old (and increasingly lost) gentleman-ly-ness. But it wasnt, by any means, a GOOD book, story, or example of writing, and it didnt deal with things very well. But it just, as I say, touched something. Which made any girl who'd ever felt that way (and thousands who hadnt, but were sure that if they had, Edward would, like, totally have loved them!) really like the series.

But now... it's all gone wrong. All the wrong things are being dwelt on and obsessed over, all the characters are being analysed way (x 10 000) too deeply, it's all just being taken too far. Sigh.

[Rocket]

Ahem, I ahve emotional maturity. I'm not older than 15 and I have read it

[MadCatta]

Sorry Arrow, but just on principle I object to your aging there... Argh! I hate it when people label a book for certain aged people, or even for men/women! It depends on the person, not the age.

[bingo]

I don't think i agree to that Age restrictions were made for a reason ... sure, there's a couple of smart kids for their age, but what about the majority who arent?

Rocket, maybe you're mature enough to read them, but teenage girls older than you are having idiotic obsessions right now ... what about the younger ones? What you read when you're young REALLY affects you ... it's not whether you're mature enough to read it, but what impression it gives. When i was ten, i wasn an Enid Blyton freak and i gotta say it's one of the healthiest choices i ever made. Being a Twilight freak won't do you half as good.

 Bella is seventeen in the books. Kids acting like her/wanting to be her at younger than ten? I don't think so.

Plus the movie is rated PG-Thirteen.

[arrowsong]

Lol, I am fighting SUCH a losing battle here - with the age thing - because you're all younger... So Im not going to bother, I'll just add, no matter how much you think you know, and how 'advanced' you are - socially, emotionally, physically, intellectually.... you have to be older to understand what I mean/where Im coming from/another dimension of - well, the world, really, but that extends to twilight. *shrug* S'called life, babe.

Im totally torn in two over the age thing. Sometimes, it absolutely drives me insane and makes me want to scream. For example, Alex Rider being labelled '9-12'. THE MAIN CHARACTER IS 14!!! I know theyre saying it's OKAY for 9-12s, and UP, or something, but seriously, what 14 year old boy (or, uh, 20 year old girl...) into action stuff is going to pick up a book labelled '9-12 year olds'??!??!??! *tears hair out*

This is kind of the Lament of My Existence, because an appallingly large number of series of books that I ADORE are aimed at boys in their early teens.... LMAO.... oops missed? Haha XD

On the other hand, though, as y'all said, the idea of a 10 year old girl reading twilight (ie. no age classifying) freaks me out. Not only because there are so many themes in there that just shouldnt go NEAR anyone that young (or, uh, the other way around!) - but also because then, that story is effectively ruined for that person. And when she finally gets to be 16 or 17 and maybe rereads twilight, well she's never going to like it right or get it the same, because it's something she read when she was little and as such.... like, she'll have certain ideas and images in her head, and also it'll have a certain position in her subconscious rating of things and.... well it's all just screwy.

LOL I was an Enid Blyton addict too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO!! Until the age of 11 or 12, all I read was The Famous Five, various other Enid Blyton books, Animal Ark, the Babysitters Club and Roald Dahl. LOL. I read them all over and over and over - I was ALWAYS reading (my primary school teacher still remembers me for it!) but I only read such a limited range... I didnt even DISCOVER fantasy until I was about 14..!!... now it's like, my lifeblood. Lol.