The Hunger Games

[Tai]

... not as many as could've? I think the author sort of decides that. If less people had died it would have been taken more lightly. Honestly, that sort of mission would've been realistic if they hadn't died. I didn't want them to, but that doesn't mean it doesn't make sense.

At camp in District 13, you mean? But then nothing would have been accomplished.

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no cause they hid out in the stupid cat lady's place for like days, and then the rebels were advancing, then they decided to run out and get slaughtered and the rebels capture the president. Seriously if they had just stayed at the rebel camp the rebels would've done everything anyways. seriously the last like ten people that died could've been saved if they had stayed put. plus the lady in the room who katniss shot through the heart was just mean. (not coin. the one who she shot when she climbed out of the closet).

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I dunno. Sometimes things just don't quite tick in books, but at the same time, if you put yourself in the position of the characters - it made sense at the time. They didn't know what would happen. Plus if they hadn't gone out, Katniss wouldn't have seen Prim die and so on and so forth.

I don't remember the lady Katniss shot. I could say desperate times call for desperate measures, but you're right, that is pretty mean xD

[Tai]

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They didn't know what would happen

fair enough, but i mean they were soooo close to the president. and it just seems like they were robbed of the one thing that could've made all the death worth it.

Plus if they hadn't gone out, Katniss wouldn't have seen Prim die and so on and so forth.

in my opinion i think that would've been better for her cause she was completely crushed afterwards. the one thing that anoyes my the most is Prim dying, becaues it basically means Katniss's sacrifice in voulenteering in her sisters place was a complete waste because she died anyways. so again its like the characters were cheated out of a happy ending.

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It wasn't a complete waste. They saved all the territories, didn't they? A happier future to everyone.

And again, I just don't think it was ever meant to be a happy ending sort of thing ='/

[Tai]

They saved all the territories, didn't they?

i suppose but i mean the rebels did that, katniss barely had a hand in it

I just don't think it was ever meant to be a happy ending sort of thing ='/

meh, i just think the happy endings are better, i mean rarely you can pull of an ending where the bad guys win, (the movie skeleton key, etc.)  but it is just better in my opinion, to have the good guys slapping high fives and celebrating their victory versus them going to a funeral.

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... no way. Katniss was the Mockingjay. She was basically the trigger to the rebels. Without her nothing would've happened. Besides, when she DID go to do something (i.e., kill Snow, also kill Coin) you didn't like that either ...

I honestly prefer happy endings, but it wouldn't've worked with this book.

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Without her nothing would've happened. Besides, when she DID go to do something (i.e., kill Snow, also kill Coin) you didn't like that either ...

I honestly prefer happy endings, but it wouldn't've worked with this book.

well thats a point oyu could argue, District 13 was allways there, it would've been a long while but they probably would've rebelled anyways, although i do have to agree with you about the mockingjay part, but like i said her sacrifice to save prim was a complete waste cause prim died in the end anyways. and i think i would've prefered Gale and Katniss busting into snow's office putting him on his knees and saying adios, then just leaving District 13 to their business and living out in the forest like they planed in the begining over the ending that happened. plus she didnt even kill snow a bunch of people stepping on him did.

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They weren't "stepping" on him, they killed him because Katniss hadn't. It was a security measure, I think. Or something like that. Point is, he died.

And yeah, she didn't kill him herself because she was busy preventing the same thing happening all over again with Coin. I think we can forgive her for that.

Besides, if Gale and Katniss had done that then it would have made the whole series irrelevant. Yeah, let's forget about Peeta, sacrificing his sanity to save Katniss, and let's forget about all the Hunger Games and everything everyone went through, the important thing is that Gale and Katniss got to escape and live happily ever after in the forest.

Plus, how can you stick up for Gale when he killed a mountainful of people, but get upset because Katniss killed one or two? Its all for the sake of the rebellion, isn't it?

AND I agree Prim's death was sad. But it wasn't a complete waste. That's like saying, "Oh, what's the point of living if I'm going to die anyway?" Katniss didn't know Prim would die. We don't even know Prim that well. Personally, I was more upset when Rue died. But at the same time, it was appropriate.

[Tai]

Yeah, let's forget about Peeta, sacrificing his sanity to save Katniss

gladly. friggin baker. and how did he sacrifice his sanity? the rebels left him.

It was a security measure.

eh actually the books said the people stampeded him to death cause they charged when coin died.

Point is, he died.

point taken, but he is the main bad guy, he should've had a big gigantic dramatic death that crescendoed the series.

she didn't kill him herself because she was busy preventing the same thing happening all over again with Coin. I think we can forgive her for that

Well yeah, but still she voted for the hunger games to continue which was really really really bad.

Gale and Katniss got to escape and live happily ever after in the forest.

is still think it would be better than the ending. plus i mean peta was like "KILL KATNISS" one second then like 100 pages later he was all speechy baker again.

Plus, how can you stick up for Gale when he killed a mountainful of people, but get upset because Katniss killed one or two? Its all for the sake of the rebellion, isn't it?

not really because the mountain was a cavern full of armed designated combatants. so its like gale killeda bunch of enimies and katniss killed a random person whose house they broke into.

But it wasn't a complete waste

true. however i just think that a characters family members (especially in the case of katniss) should be of limits. plus it was just like, "well she's screwed up in the head from watching all the other people die, lets see how nuts she goes when she burns to death with her sister."

I was more upset when Rue died

likewise.

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gladly. friggin baker. and how did he sacrifice his sanity? the rebels left him.

What exactly do you have against bakers? Are you gluten intolerant?
He sacrificed his sanity by, oh I don't know, staying alive long enough to WARN all the rebels who abandoned them about the attack. By being tortured continuously because they preferred Katniss to him. By protecting Katniss throughout the game? Yeah, that's how.

eh actually the books said the people stampeded him to death cause they charged when coin died.

I said, I THINK. This selective quoting thing is quite wearisome.

point taken, but he is the main bad guy, he should've had a big gigantic dramatic death that crescendoed the series.

Why? This isn't a fairy tale. Not everything has to abide by the Law of Cliches. Maybe having such an undramatic death was fitting. Ironic. Whatever. I think it was more crucial that Coin died - she represented the main threat. The thread of everything repeating itself, which is far more dangerous than Snow.

Well yeah, but still she voted for the hunger games to continue which was really really really bad.

She didn't MEAN IT!!! Obviously, otherwise why would she have killed Coin?! She was saying that so Coin would trust her with a bow and arrow near her!!!!! HOW did you miss that?! In fact, Katniss says this (directly quoted from the book:)

Because something is significantly wrong with a creature that sacrifices its children's lives to settle its
differences.

So, no.

not really because the mountain was a cavern full of armed designated combatants. so its like gale killeda bunch of enimies and katniss killed a random person whose house they broke into.

Actually, it was mentioned several times there might be innocent civilians in there. But whatever.

is still think it would be better than the ending. plus i mean peta was like "KILL KATNISS" one second then like 100 pages later he was all speechy baker again.

... seriously? And yet you support Maximum Ride, in which this transformation would have occured between one page and the next?

100 pages is quite a lot. And a lot happened in them. You can't say Peeta's transformation was sudden, not at all. It was specifically described as to how long they spent reminding him that Katniss was good, and how on the mission he was terrified he'd kill her so much that he wanted to kill himself.

I think it was quite justified.

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What exactly do you have against bakers?

nothing, i just have a problem with peta.

staying alive long enough

capital couldnt kill him or they'd lose all leverage against katniss

tortured continuously

sucks for him but he couldnt die, because the capital couldnt kill him so it was like being bit repediately by a snake but it wasnt venemous.

By protecting Katniss throughout the game

i reckon she'd be fine with out him

This selective quoting thing is quite wearisome

possibly but its kinda fun and very accurate.

She didn't MEAN IT

well think she did at the time of voting but she changed her mind when she killed coin. plus if she did say that just so she could get the bow it would've been nice if it had been clarified.

innocent civilians

thats different than walking out in some ones home and killing them because they were in the way but the women in her home could've been subdued with out killing her.

100 pages is quite a lot. And a lot happened in them. You can't say Peeta's transformation was sudden, not at all. It was specifically described as to how long they spent reminding him that Katniss was good, and how on the mission he was terrified he'd kill her so much that he wanted to kill himself.

I think it was quite justified

well maybe i think it was sudden because i really would've prefered it if he'd stayed crazy, sorry if that sounds mean but i dont like him much and it still was like "he's a lost cause" "he's getting less psycho." "he can bake a fricken cake." "here take him with you to the capital"

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possibly but its kinda fun and very accurate.

It isn't accurate in the least, because you focus on one part of a point and argue that, even though I've made my point several times and its clarified in the REST of the sentence.

sucks for him but he couldnt die, because the capital couldnt kill him so it was like being bit repediately by a snake but it wasnt venemous.

... because, of course, being tortured is SO much more preferable to death ...

I don't even know why I'm arguing this point. It's blatantly obvious that Peeta has suffered for Katniss. End of story.

i reckon she'd be fine with out him

I reckon she'd be dead without him.

well think she did at the time of voting but she changed her mind when she killed coin. plus if she did say that just so she could get the bow it would've been nice if it had been clarified.

It didn't need to be clarified. That's the whole point of reading a book. It makes you /think/. If you'd thought about it for five minutes, it would've been obvious, and then we would not be arguing about this. I mean, you're being persnickety about whether or not she killed civilians in their home in the middle of the fight, but you completely ignore the most important thing she does in the entire book ...

well maybe i think it was sudden because i really would've prefered it if he'd stayed crazy, sorry if that sounds mean but i dont like him much

... see, that settles it! You just didn't like the entire, awesome, awesome book because you don't like Peeta. The fact is, if the book had happened the way you wanted it to be it would have sucked. I just don't think it deserves the bashing you gave it cause you're against the "friggin' baker." And get it off e-Bay, for crying out loud! You're lucky to own copies!

[Tai]

... because, of course, being tortured is SO much more preferable to death ....

well....yeah kinda.

I don't even know why I'm arguing this point. It's blatantly obvious that Peeta has suffered for Katniss.

actually if you look at it from a rather cold and non biased way, he suffered because of the rebels and katniss but thats just me

I reckon she'd be dead without him.

agree to disagree.

... see, that settles it! You just didn't like the entire, awesome, awesome book because you don't like Peeta. The fact is, if the book had happened the way you wanted it to be it would have sucked. I just don't think it deserves the bashing you gave it cause you're against the "friggin' baker."

well actually it still would've been better if it had been peta and Katniss axing Snow and a whole final dun dun dun moment versus a slow druged up ending.

And get it off e-Bay, for crying out loud! You're lucky to own copies!

....actually "owned" past tense. they sold for 25 bucks this morning. on ebay.

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well....yeah kinda

No, it isn't. Really.

actually if you look at it from a rather cold and non biased way, he suffered because of the rebels and katniss but thats just me

Actually, if I look at it from the unbiased way, he suffered because of the rebels and Katniss BECAUSE he was protecting the rebel's cause and Katniss, and that makes it for them. Swapping for with "because" doesn't really make much difference. He suffered.

agree to disagree.

... I can pick out well over five quotes in each book in which Katniss points out she'd be lost/dead without Peeta. But fine. Let's just agree to disagree on this one.

well actually it still would've been better if it had been peta and Katniss axing Snow and a whole final dun dun dun moment versus a slow druged up ending.

I believe the explosion in which Prim died was the beginning of the Dun Dun DUN moment, and then it DUNN'd precisely when Coin died. Agree to disagree on this one, because I think your ending would have ruined the books.

....actually "owned" past tense. they sold for 25 bucks this morning. on ebay.

... your loss.

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Well...ahhhh...thats alot of quotes...

anyway...I like the fact that it was Peeta and Katniss...I was never a huge Gale fan...

what sucked, was that just as Katniss was coming up to the mansion, the rebels beat her there! WHAT! it would have been better if Katniss had got there first, they had gone up to snows office, just as snow pressed the button killing Prim in district 13 (and possibly Gale...) Then snow surrenders, and Katniss executes snow, and she goes a bit crazy...and then she ends up with Peeta...