I'm probably just gonna get blazed, but...

[The_Rising_Dark]

Hello all. Was an avid fan of Alex Rider until Ark Angel came out. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but while we were all majorly upswt by the death of Alex Rider at the end of Scorpia, did anyone truly-in their heart of hearts-want Alex to survive? Or did we feel that yes, it was his time to go. He had defeated his demons. He had sacrificed his girl, and his life, for his country.

And then he was, for want of a better phrase, resurrected in a manner that would make Jesus say 'Hang on now, that seems a bit extreme!'

I'm sorry if anyone is offended by this slander on Jesus. If anyone wants to convince me that Alex Rider somehow being shot in the heart and then surviving was a good idea, go for it. Hit me. But do NOT dare to say "Because Alex Rider is such an amazing character!!" because I will respond that so was Jesus, and that book sold well enough. Killing a character is better than forcing him (or her! Let no one say I am a chauvinist! I am, but I refuse to let people use that against me) to survive against his will. And mine.

[hitman_9]

well i nevr knew that at that time everyone suspected alex to die. i got into the series just before the movie came out. ther wer already six books so i knew he wouldnt die at least to the 6th one. then now i realise theyl be more.

[allUK3473]

Okay, AH explained why Alex survived. He was hit in a chest, not the heart. Thew bullet hit some arteries, not his heart! He came close to dying, but AH described a sort of limbo at the end of Scorpia. Now, I will admit that Ark Angel was not the best book of the series, but I took into concideraton how busy AH was at the time he wrote it. He had Foyle's War, Stormbreaker coming out, He did a lot of touring, and Peru . . . and on top of that trying to write another book. Give the man a break, The_Rising_Dark, he had a lot on his plate at the time. At least he didn't go for, "It was all a dream!" Now that would be something to complain about. Just give AH a brake and stop mentioning Jesus unless you are talking about Him in good light! I am not offended, by the way. It's just that you might offend someone else. It would be best not to meantion any religion here. Just stick to AH.
I personally think that it wasn't Alex's time to go. And AH brought him back because he wasn't done with him yet, and Scorpia wouldn't just let an agent live! Thinking logicly, TRD, Alex coming back to conciousness (cos he never really died) was the best move AH could make in the plot.

[The_Rising_Dark]

 

Okay, AH explained why Alex survived. He was hit in a chest, not the heart. Thew bullet hit some arteries, not his heart! He came close to dying, but AH described a sort of limbo at the end of Scorpia. Now, I will admit that Ark Angel was not the best book of the series, but I took into concideraton how busy AH was at the time he wrote it. He had Foyle's War, Stormbreaker coming out, He did a lot of touring, and Peru . . . and on top of that trying to write another book. Give the man a break, The_Rising_Dark, he had a lot on his plate at the time. At least he didn't go for, "It was all a dream!" Now that would be something to complain about. Just give AH a brake and stop mentioning Jesus unless you are talking about Him in good light! I am not offended, by the way. It's just that you might offend someone else. It would be best not to meantion any religion here. Just stick to AH.
I personally think that it wasn't Alex's time to go. And AH brought him back because he wasn't done with him yet, and Scorpia wouldn't just let an agent live! Thinking logicly, TRD, Alex coming back to conciousness (cos he never really died) was the best move AH could make in the plot.

Thinking logically? LOGICALLY? The end of Scorpia, thinking logically, is the end for Alex. That's logical. How is it logical to bring back a character who was, to all intents and purposes, dead? For AH to bring back this character is logical only in a fiscal sense.
Now do not get me wrong, I like Anthony. I've met him twice; he's charming, handsome, and incredibly funny.
You are right, though. To start with "It was all just a  dream" would have caused me to but a machete and dream up ways of killing him and somehow involving the book. Maybe kebab the book and then thrust the blade into his heart. (Anthony, don't worry, I won't.)
And regarding Jesus...what sort of good publicity does the man need? Utilising the large brain He has given me, I question Him, in the same way that I am sure my children will question my wisdom.
But do not dare, or even have the presumption, to tell me that I will not talk about Jesus. I am using him merely as a comparative.

[allUK3473]

Okay, okay . . . I'll stop with the Jesus thing as long as you don't start saying that he was a false prophet. Then we will have some issues. And I question his too, like all healthy people, but that's beside the point.

For goodness sake, TRD! It is just a book. Get over it! I didn't love the book, in fact I was a little diapounted in it, but it had some good bits, but altogether it was kind of unrealistic and horrible, but still! It is just a book. It doesn't need all of this hate towards it. And AH says many times that he never wrote Alex's last breath. I myself personally never believe that a character is dead until the author seriously writes Alex Rider was dead. Or That was the last breath he would ever take. Or something like that. Just be happy that he didn't do the silly dream thing, and that there are two more books to look forward to.

Gosh . . . by the way you're talking, you could be one of those people who still believe that Alex is still Dr Grief's clone, and that that's how the series ends, by him revealing it to all!

Just give it a rest, TRD.

[The_Rising_Dark]

*Chuckles* all right, I'll back off a little. But it did cause me untold frustration, and I've suddenly found an outlet. Apologies.
No, no accusations of false prophets. That would be taking this discussion too far into the realms of religion-although I am willing to discuss that with you at any point you wish.
In summary, then, I eagerly await Snakehead, but feel that it will never be as good as that first quintet. I hope that quintet really means set of five, or I will look unbearably foolish.

P.S regarding your alst comment-are there really people who think that? Surely not...

[allUK3473]

Oh, yeah there are people who still think that. It is all because AH said something like, "only one alex walked away" and some people refuse to believe that it was just a suspensful ending. And as for the religion dissusion PM me right now and let's get it started.

[bookfish]

Obviously there has to be people who think that way. Otherwise where would the idea have orginated? No one can fully know the ideas of every AH reader. go allUK3473, give your opinion.

[The_Rising_Dark]

Obviously there has to be people who think that way. Otherwise where would the idea have orginated? No one can fully know the ideas of every AH reader. go allUK3473, give your opinion.

Thank you for that, bookfish.
But how abouit your[/] opinion?

[bookfish]

Well if you will look at the classics book discussion you will get a glimpse, but if you want to go further feel free.

[J2Rider]

NO, no blazing. I just have a different opinion. Alex faced his demons, yes, but there are probably more, not to mention after all that, he needed time to enjoy things...of course, I didn't want to see him die because there are sooo many more adventures he can have...and the action of Ark Angel proves that...at least to me 

[The_Rising_Dark]

Result. You're not blazing me, you're just stating an opinion.
I love you and want to have your babies, with immediate effect.
Only joking.

So I'm the only one who thinks that five books, winding up with the death of the protagonist, his demons faced and his destiny done. He is, in terms of the classical Hero, complete.
Ah, just me who wants a return to the bad old days where the Hero died.

[DilanMelis]

Tis flaaaming, not blazing LMAO XD

Anyway, what this has to do with Jesus, so if we could definitely keep off that

Other than that, I can see what you mean. To be honest, I kind of thought the same thing at the beginning, but appreciated that Alex did live. If that makes sense? I thought the whole space thing in Ark Angel was a lot less believable than Alex surviving.

As for wanting the hero to die, [Harry Potter spoilers to come] I usually do want that to happen. Specially in Harry Potter, but was, as usual, disappointed.

[The_Rising_Dark]

Amen to that.
No pun intended. Honest.
Y'see, now I wnated Harry to die, but was always fully aware that he wouldn't. JK Rowling was never going to kill him off although, in saying that, some of the other character deaths were a huge shock.
But I was never sure if Alex would survive; there always seemed to be  a chance this confrontation would be the last. Like James Bond before him, he would (of course) escape, but for me there was always that suspense. When JK stated that she'd write seven books, that was kind of...it. He'd have to survive to the end, as Harry Potter and The Long and Meandering Storyline Without Harry lacks a certain...je ne sais quoi.
Probably the wrong place for this topic, but hell. Here it is anyway.
And if flaming is bad, imagine how bad being blazed must be!

(I'm joking. I was wrong. My bad.)

[luvtheaccent]

Well my opinion was I really wanted Alex to make it through.
I am from the US and after reading Scorpia I didn't know that the next book was coming out
So i was like "NO FLIPPING WAY! HE CANNOT DIE!"
haha... then I looked online and saw that there was another book
i was really happy
at least for me, i was glad that the series continued